Could a civil war between the extreme right and the extreme left arise in the US?
Absolutely.
White silence is violence.
A lot of the answers here say that the far right, heavily armed militias are being fed conspiracy theories
and that the far left doesn’t really play a role.
I dare say that in the past four years I have seen an increase in leftist aggression that has frightened me.
It scares me far more than the right-wing because it does so with moral righteousness, and therefore it is
itself justified.
When the right-wing extremists go to war they keep a natural governor because the average people are
appalled by the depraved acts, so they keep themselves and remain limited to a small minority.
However, when the left becomes warmongering, it does so with the capacity to act. “For the good of all”.
This is the most dangerous because it tends to be accepted by the majority and a mafia mentality turns
into aggression against anyone who is not as “enlightened” as they are. I discovered this very quickly
when I moved to the Bay Area and thought I was liberal.
Today I stand in the middle and reveal the truth to both sides. Of course, both sides’ perspectives are
determined by the political narratives of their preferred parties, so anyone outside their bubble is seen
as an opposition. It is really a kind of hypnosis.
The right sees me as a liberal. The left sees me as a conservative. The truth is, you couldn’t ride a bike
if you just leaned left or right, and you can’t run a government that does the same either. Both are
required for stability.
The difference lies in the degree of aggressiveness and the choice of words. I can still have a
respectable dialogue with most of the right, even if we disagree. This does not apply to the left, who
feel that their outrage is justified and express considerable hatred of those who disagree and call them
“evil”.I have seen an increase in leftist aggression that has frightened me. It scares me far more than
the right-wing because it does so with moral righteousness, and therefore it is in itself justified.
(btw, this meme fits in perfectly with my experience of moving to the Bay Area)
This is of crucial importance for the question posed, because the left’s willingness to go to war is
growing in direct proportion to the increase in right-wing extremist activities. She is reactionary.
Fascism does not arise in a vacuum.
I have even seen incredible aggression on the part of the left against those who have said they would
vote for a 3rd party. They’re kind of angry for choosing their beliefs, not their fears. Perhaps life
in the Bay Area exposes me to a more militant left.
Ultimately, it is our collaborating political parties that control the presentation of history, as
does the MSM. I think it is entirely possible that if the MSM and our parties wanted to start a civil war,
they could too. We are already seeing the escalation, and as every incident becomes more and more violent, each side will have more and more reasons to portray the other side as inhuman and thus encourage violence more and more easily.
We have to de-escalate quickly. Half of America is not evil. Most of us believe most of the same things,
and if we grew up as neighbors we would like each other. Take the time to listen. Both sides have
legitimate criticism and worth. If we can connect with these, we can overcome our division …
Oh, and we must break up the two involved at all costs. That is the reason for the division that George
Washington warned us about in his farewell speech. They care more about power than running our government, and they are ready to escalate the violence if they have to maintain that power.
The totalitarian State under construction
China
China has started ranking citizens with a creepy ‘social credit’ system — here’s what you can do wrong, and the embarrassing, demeaning ways they can punish you
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An internet cafe in Wuhan, China. REUTERS/Stringer
China plans to rank all its citizens based on their “social credit” by 2020.
People can be rewarded or punished according to their scores.
Like private financial credit scores, a person’s social scores can move up and down according to their behavior.
At the moment the system is piecemeal — some are run by city councils, while others are scored by private tech platforms that hold personal data.
Scroll down to see how you can be punished or rewarded.
The Chinese state is setting up a vast ranking system system that will monitor the behavior of its enormous population, and rank them all based on their “social credit.”
The “social credit system,” first announced in 2014, aims to reinforce the idea that “keeping trust is glorious and breaking trust is disgraceful,” according to a government document.
The program is due to be fully operational nationwide by 2020, but is being piloted for millions of people across the country already. The scheme will be mandatory.
At the moment the system is piecemeal — some are run by city councils, others are scored by private tech platforms which hold personal data.
Like private credit scores, a person’s social score can move up and down depending on their behavior. The exact methodology is a secret — but examples of infractions include bad driving, smoking in non-smoking zones, buying too many video games and posting fake news online.
- Banning you from flying or getting the train.
- Banning you from flying or getting the train.
A railway station waiting hall in Hangzhou in February 2016. REUTERS/Stringer
China has already started punishing people by restricting their travel.
Nine million people with low scores have been blocked from buying tickets for domestic flights, Channel News Asia reported in March, citing official statistics.
They can also clamp down on luxury options — three million people are barred from getting business-class train tickets.
The eventual system will punish bad passengers specifically. Potential misdeeds include trying to ride with no ticket, loitering in front of boarding gates, or smoking in no-smoking areas.
- Throttling your internet speeds.
- Throttling your internet speeds.
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This is according to Rachel Botsman, an author who published part of her book on tech security on Wired last year. The exact mechanics aren’t clear yet.
According to Foreign Policy, credit systems monitor whether people pay bills on time, much like financial credit trackers — but also ascribe a moral dimension.
Other mooted punishable offences include spending too long playing video games, wasting money on frivolous purchases and posting on social media.
Spreading fake news, specifically about terrorist attacks or airport security, will also be punishable offences.
- Banning you — or your kids — from the best schools.
- Banning you — or your kids — from the best schools.
Students sing the national anthem in the playground during the flag-hoisting ceremony at their school in Shanghai., September 27, 2017. CHANDAN KHANNA/AFP/Getty Images
17 people who refused to carry out military service last year were barred from enrolling in higher education, applying for high school, or continuing their studies, Beijing News reported.
In July, a Chinese university denied an incoming student his spot because the student’s father had a bad social credit score.
- Stopping you getting the best jobs.
- Stopping you getting the best jobs.
The Great Hall of the People in Beijing, one of China’s largest state buildings. Wikipedia
“Trust-breaking” individuals would also be banned from doing management jobs in state-owned firms and big banks.
Some crimes, like fraud and embezzlement, would also have a big effect on social credit, Botsman reported.
- Keeping you out of the best hotels.
- Keeping you out of the best hotels.
The state-owned, five-star Beijing Hotel. James Jin/Flickr
People who refused military service were also banned from some holidays and hotels — showing that vacation plans are fair game too.
The regime rewards people here as well as punishes them.
People with good scores can speed up travel applications to places like Europe, Botsman said.
An unidentified woman in Beijing also told the BBC in 2015 that she was able to book a hotel without having to pay a cash deposit because she had a good score.
- Getting your dog taken away.
- Getting your dog taken away.
A woman holds her pet dog in the middle of a traffic jam in Anhui province in January 2014. REUTERS/Stringer
The eastern Chinese city of Jinan started enforcing a social credit system for dog owners in 2017, whereby pet owners get points deducted if the dog is walked without a leash or causes public disturbances.
Those who lost all their points had their dogs confiscated and had to take a test on regulations required for pet ownership.
Read more: Chinese dog owners are being assigned a social credit score to keep them in check — and it seems to be working
- Being publicly named as a bad citizen.
- Being publicly named as a bad citizen.
China’s President Xi Jinping looking disdainful in December 2017. REUTERS/Fred Dufour/Pool
Naming and shaming is another tactic available. A a 2016 government notice encourages companies to consult the blacklist before hiring people or giving them contracts.
However, people will be notified by the courts before they are added to the list, and are allowed to appeal against the decision within ten days of receiving the notification.
It’s not clear when the list will start to be implemented.
A prototype blacklist already exists, and has been used to punish people.
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The scrolling list on the left shows individual’s names alongside partially redacted ID numbers, while the one on the right shows company names.
Li Xiaolin, a lawyer who was placed on the list in 2015, found himself unable to purchase plane tickets home while on a work trip, Human Rights Watch reported. He also couldn’t apply for credit cards.
Source: Chinese Supreme People’s Court
This video, posted by freelance journalist James O’Malley, shows an announcement on a bullet train from Beijing to Shanghai warning people not to misbehave — or else their “behavior will be recorded in individual credit information system.”
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Here’s a dystopian vision of the future: A real announcement I recorded on the Beijing-Shanghai bullet train. (I’ve subtitled it so you can watch in silence.)
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Read more: A creepy video shows how China warns its citizens to behave or get punished by its nationwide social credit system
There is also a list for good citizens — that will reportedly get you more matches on dating websites.
There is also a list for good citizens — that will reportedly get you more matches on dating websites.
Baihe’s landing page. Baihe
The BBC said that Baihe, China’s biggest dating site, is boosting the profiles of good citizens.
They can also get discounts on energy bills, rent things without deposits, and get better interest rates at banks.
They can also get discounts on energy bills, rent things without deposits, and get better interest rates at banks.
A bike-share station in China. Andy Zwikel
These perks were available to people in Rongcheng, eastern China, whose city council rolled out a social credit system for its citizens and was profiled by Foreign Policy.
Despite the creepiness of the system — Human Rights Watch called it “chilling,” while Botsman called it “a futuristic vision of Big Brother out of control” — some citizens say it’s making them better people already.
Despite the creepiness of the system — Human Rights Watch called it
A crossroad in Guangdong, China. China Photos/Getty
A 32-year-old entrepreneur, who only gave his name as Chen, told Foreign Policy: “I feel like in the past six months, people’s behaviour has gotten better and better.
“For example, when we drive, now we always stop in front of crosswalks. If you don’t stop, you will lose your points.
“At first, we just worried about losing points, but now we got used to it.”
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